The Fakes - Page 20

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO TIFFANY VALUES?
We have seen a "Rare Antique Tiffany Studios Lamp with Scarab Shade" sell for $760 (see immediately above and a "Very Rare and Exquisite Dragonfly Lamp Shade" sell for $1377 (also see above). The truth of the matter is that both of these offerings are fakes and this is what has caused the prices to seem low. Both have damage and you have got to wonder why someone would want a fake piece of Tiffany
even if it had no damage much less a fake with damage. Investment value?

TOMUCHSTUFF5

AMKHATRI

4KIDSTRONG

ROSES19730

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DECEIT AND DECEPTION
This story starts with the placement of a listing on Ebay (140350885391) by seller WAVERIDER. The offering is for a $475 reproduction of Tiffany's Jack in the Pulpit vase. Persons unknown have been able to devalue this reproduction by the placement of a fake and fraudulent Tiffany signature on the base and the seller rambles on about the signature and how they were able to determine the date of manufacture as 1813 which misses the real date by almost one hundred years. The next chapter is that the seller somehow managed to secure an appraisal for this fake from BRADBURY'S APPRAISALS of Scottsdale, Arizona, a 35 year member of the American Society of Appraisals. The appraisal is unsigned with no mention on the appraisal that it is genuine and the appraisal is not even dated. Not just to infer this fake as genuine, the appraiser evaluated it at $6,500 - one third of its value if genuine - but the seller is offering it at a starting price of just $6,000. Such as deal. The problem with all of this from a selling standpoint is that people who have the wherewithal to pay $6,000 for a piece a Tiffany would immediately know that the offering price, like the piece itself, is a joke. Pictured below is the vase from the front, from the back and the appraisal. Be sure and have your valuables appraised at Bradburys. The lesson is to deal with reputable and knowledgable appraisers and sellers. Anyone can read the signature but it takes knowledge to know the real from the fake.

WAVERIDER

UPDATE ON THE FAKE VASE AND THE FRAUDULENT APPRAISAL
The Jack In The Pulpit vase has been relisted and there are very subtle changes in the
newest listing from the original listing. See if you can see the difference:

L.C. Tiffany Favrile JIP 17" Vase, Mint, with Appraisal
or
Signed "L.C. Tiffany Favrile" JIP 17" Vase w/Appraisal

The top one is the first listing from a week ago and the bottom one is the newest listing. While neither of the listings say the vase is absolutely genuine, both infer that it is and are offering it for a starting price of $6,000. Such a deal. The newest listing puts the fake signature in quotes which is an excellent way to confuse and muddle the listing and it also mentions that the complete appraisal will accompany the sale. What is there in the other pages of the appraisal that is now going to be included with the sale? Maybe they will tell you that the appraisal was for insurance purposes and does not address the issue of real or fake. If you have questions, call the appraisal company and ask if the appraisal says the vase is genuine Tiffany. Only on Ebay can a $475 vase get a fake Tiffany signature and a fake appraisal and it now is worth $6000.
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ABIGAILS*ANTIQUES

MJSWEETS

STEVEM3374

LINDAW1436

BRSZ-2	LCSETATELIQUIDATION	WILLSON2828 (ONE OF TWO FAKES)	DSKI.22461
RURALSTUDIO	KITSONS-COLLECTIBLES	ELCHEAPOMOVERS	DSKI.22461

TIFFANY 101
Ebay items 220497078203 and 220496620660 are a pair of candlesticks offered for sale by
WILLSON2828 (shown above) and they offer a peek into the world of fakes. If you go to the listings and enlarge the photos, especially those photos of the tops where the glass was blown into the candle holders, you will easily see that there is a complete lack of definition regarding the metal that holds the glass. Irregular edges and overall poor finish quality is easily seen which should alert you to be very careful.
As we have said many times, signed Tiffany does not mean genuine Tiffany.
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WHAT DID THIS BUYER GET FOR THEIR $5,600.00 ???
What they did not get was a Tiffany shade or a Tiffany base. Additional photos have been added above to show what someone paid $5.600 for and the photos will show even the least experienced Tiffany collector that this base was not made by Tiffany and the seller really does not say it is Tiffany. The shade is a complete story all by itself. To begin with the glass is not typical of Tiffany and the construction and especially the soldering is what you would expect from a first year high school shop class. Look at the tag, look at the sloppy soldering and then see if you would think this is the quality you would expect from Tiffany. The seller is telling buyers to "use your discretion before bidding", "the listing is meant as a descriptive guide only" (what does that mean?), and the listing "should not be treated as a statement of fact", and finally, "use your best judgment as to whether or not the description is accurate". Is there a warning there? Absolutely and the bidders decided to pay no attention. This lamp and shade if real, should be worth in excess of $100,000. Remember signed Tiffany does not mean genuine Tiffany.
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REPUTABLE TIFFANY ANTIQUE DEALER???
The vase on the left is offered by ELEANORJANE and she was kind enough to offer the documentation on the right which the seller identifies as "Authentication of this vase by a Reputable Tiffany Antique Dealer". It appears that both Favrile and authentic are mispelled which is a common mistake and can happen to any reputable Tiffany dealer. See another example of this type of deceit and deception above, also on another pulpit vase. Listing has been revised to lower the price, placement of a question mark (?) after Tiffany and no returns. Pay for it with Paypal and you can return it whether the seller likes it or not. No change in the fake authentication and no spelling corrections either. Hurry.

1WILDWILDWEST

PUTZEL

TTGREG5H34

DSKI.22461

MORETHANJUSTGLASS
(ZZAC)

BETTERBIDQUICK

WATCH_KOLLEKTOR

DROV8833

E.FALCONE

SUELLEN10

REALAPPEAL

ARTANTIQUESANDMORE

DSKI.22461

ON THE LEFT
Seller DSKI.22461 has graced our site many times but on this page alone they are shown with 4 different offerings. Who is buying these fakes (new less than $100) for $300 - $800 and most have some type of minor damage. No fake signature even shown on the latest listing.

NADIASOLD

JACK IN THE PULPIT VASES
Some of the most beautiful, expressive and expensive glass made by Tiffany are the Jack in the Pulpit vases and this of course, attracts the dregs of the world with their copies. It seems to be the seasonal favorite right now. There are all kinds of stories from "it's been in my collection for 30 years", an appraisal from someone who cannot even spell authentic correctly and then the "insurance appraisal" on one for $6,500. Notice on the Antiques Roadshow that appraisers usually say "for insurance purposes" and nobody even knows what that really means. What it really means is fiction and do not believe that the insurance companies are stupid enough to pay some grossly inflated price for a fake. Most are not selling but Ebay is making money on the relisting as the price just keeps getting reduced. We suggest a buy at $250 to $300 if no bubbles or any other damage. Remember that a fake and fraudulent signature devalues most everything.

BBS6016SDK

MUSTANG611315

14WNTR

FMSMES

SUMPINOLD

COLL.ABBY

OLEBLUEGRASSANTIQUES

ANTIQUEREVIVALONE

FEMMEJOLIE313

MATTRAIDER

NAMES IN RED ITALICS ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS

COMPARE THE SIGNATURES
On the left is a base (Ebay 140366472868) by seller SUMPINOLD (shown above left) with an unpolished pontil and a Tiffany signature that appears to be scratched on with a nail. On the right is another base with a polished pontil and a genuine signature.
See and know the difference.

COWGIRL-143

ENCHANTED*CANDLE

BLUECRABANTIQUES

NANAPATTY1019

PREMIERECOLLECTIONS

FEMMEJOLIE313

BLUEGRACYMAY

AUCTIONBROKERAGE

NAMES IN RED ITALICS ARE REPEAT SELLERS OF FAKE TIFFANY

1UNIQUEANTIQUES0

LINDA'S***STUFF

PIFCAT2006

AVUA1

FINEARTS29MV

THE TIFFANY BROTHERS
You know Louis but do you know the other Tiffany Brothers? There is Curley, Dale, Larry, Meyda and Mo and their works can be found all over Ebay. A lamp above offered by FEMMEJOLIE313 recently sold for a whopping $307 and if anyone knows which of the lesser known brothers made this fine example, please let us know. All of them with the exception of Dale and Meyda sign their work as Louis would but we can usually tell the real from the fakes. These sellers of fake Tiffany usually know exactly what they are selling and many of them can be counted on to offer other fakes besides Tiffany.
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THE TIFFANY ZOO
Above you were introduced to the Tiffany family and below we are pleased to introduce the Tiffany Zoo. They have been seen many times before on various auctions - mostly Ebay - but this is the first time all have been shown at the same time. The seller who listed these fakes for sale on Ebay is asking about $30.00 for each animal but they really have a cost of less then $10.00 each and the seller made it very clear that all are fakes. Since the bottoms were not shown, we assume the Made In Taiwan stickers are still in place.

JOHN123ANTIQUES

FISH33R

Signature from piece
on left - creamer

DMM1961315

COWGIRL-143

JAZZYJOSH808

CLIFFORD2118

LAUREL829

HOLLYAMBER

PAY-PER-TRAIL

IF AT FIRST YOU DO NOT SUCCEED.....
Several weeks ago the vase shown below was listed by an "honest seller" for $4500 and as soon as it was listed for sale by FINEARTS29MV, it was also listed on this site as seen just above THE TIFFANY BROTHERS on the right. Of course no one was interested and the price was reduced by $1000 and it has been relisted. We thought you might be interested in looking at it again and also see what a genuine paper label from Tiffany Studios (on the right) looks like compared to the one (on the left) shown on the fake vase. Several times we have warned about paper labels which are not reliable for identification since they would be over 100 years old and are easily duplicated. This duplication is not even close. On this particular vase it appears that the signature and the label were made by grade schoolers. You be the judge. You know you are heading for trouble when dealing with someone who spells Favrile as Favrille.

COWGIRL-143

KKC3R7A

GERMANGIFTS

BLACKHORSEANTIQUES

BIGGIE48

ITEMS IN RED ITALICS INDICATE A REPEAT SELLER OF FAKE TIFFANY

MORE FROM THE TIFFANY ZOO
Above we showed 10 of these fake animals and on other pages we have shown these on the left before. Seller ALAWR has decided to remove these from Ebay and this is a positive step.

MPD334

GET YOUR BOOTS ON FOR THIS LAMP
Just listed is the lamp shown on the left and we strongly suggest you read the listing from the first word to the very last as it does nothing but raise a lot more questions than it answers. We particularly liked the part about the base number being either 331, 381 or 831 and the seller mentioned that he was too busy to get his reference books out and check the number. We spent less than 4 minutes and can absolutely assure you that it is not any of those numbers. Small mistake for sure. You would think the seller would offer an evaluation but no, he wants you to get it. The word "guaranteed" is not mentioned once in his listing and payment arrangements must be made with the seller personally. Kinda reminds us of dealing with the bunch out of Atlanta. More to come.....

It is back for another 30 day run. The listing has been cleaned up but the damage has already been done. It is still a fake and that will not change no matter how many times it is listed. The use of the word "rare" should make your ears perk up.

QUINTESSENTIAL77

HARNDENSELLS

MALEX2000

JBPOTTERYDESIGN

TIFFANY AND HANDEL
The fake Tiffany lamp shown above and left offered for sale by MPD334 has created a storm of e mails. Most are serious, some are funny and a very few are from other known sellers of fake Tiffany. They offer nothing to the discussion except to band together, complain and condemn. We received several copies of e mails from Ray who we know to have been a shill for other sellers of fake Tiffany lamps and can remember when he placed 16 bids on one lamp alone and of course, he never got the lamp. Read about him on Page 4 and Page 11. He was known on Ebay as LOUISCEXP.625, then RAYROB640 and currently is known as MYGUY58 who spends his days buying fine gems at $20 a pop. Then we were fortunate to hear from NARUKO from New York state who at any given time can find a questionable piece of Tiffany Studios or an unsigned Tiffany window and offer to sell it to you at a greatly reduced price with his wonderful guarantee which can be seen in his feedback (see feedback dated 1/12/02, 2/2/02, 2/5/02, 3/06/02, 5/02/02, 2/12/03, 4/03/03 - 2 that day, 4/22/02, 3/11/05, 9/11/06 and 2/10/07) and he is fortunate - thanks to Ebay wanting all of their seller to look good - to have all of them not shown in his feedback statistics but they are there if you look through the listings. Read about him on Page 8 and Page 13. Mention his name to any of the Northeast dealers and they immediately want to tell you some horror stories about him and his friends in New York City. Another of the e mails we received was from a 25 plus year ISA Appraiser who suggested we look at a Handel lamp this same seller currently has listed as Ebay - 170437761593. While we know absolutely nothing about Handel, we do know that some sellers of fake Tiffany also can be found selling other fakes. It's just what some of them do. It is interesting to read on the Handel listing that seller MPD334 claims to have 15 "authentic and appraised Tiffany lamps valued at $2 million dollars" and we are left to wonder why the current Tiffany or Handel lamps are not appraised. Until today, February 3, 2010 he did not even know who Paul Crist is. What we can promise you is if any person shown on our site is connected with what we consider to be a fake or fraudulently signed piece of Tiffany and would have that item evaluated by a competent and experienced Tiffany expert and furnish us with any information that we are wrong, we will immediately remove that item and apologize profusely to the offended person. This has been our promise since TiffanyFakes.Com was started. When you are trying to sell a lamp as Tiffany on Ebay for $18,000 what is a few hundred for an evaluation - especially if you have 15 others worth $2 million - unless you are afraid of what you will get for the few hundred dollars. What does all that accomplish when you are trying to sell a lamp? Do it one time and supply it with the listing and you have answered most of the questions. TiffanyFakes.Com received 278,778 hits in January 2010, more than 100 "thank yous", no more than 5 "go to hells" and every one of these "go to hells" is from someone either selling a fake, someone who is listed on the site as a seller of a fake or a friend of someone caught selling a fake. They seem to like to group together for some reason. Misery loves company.The Handel did not sell and the current Tiffany listing (170439168140 ) has been revised a total of 7 different times but it is still a fake. The seller is Terry Troupe
and he can answer any question you might have about the lamp. We are going to move on.
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JPUDERER

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE???
There are very similar. The one on the left is appraised at $25,000, the one on the right at $22,000 and neither seller offers the appraisal for review. According to the sellers, the one on the left was made before Tiffany was born and the one on the right was made after Tiffany had died. The one on the left is a fake and the one on the right is a fake. They are pretty much the same, but wait, the one on the left is a hanging lamp and the one on the right is a table lamp. There is a difference.

MPD334

NCSNOWQUEEN

GRANDAMASHOP9999

LONESOME_PROUDFOOT

HONEYGROVESHUFFLE

COWGIRL-143

ADEPREZ

PILALLI

REALTYANTIQUES

QUINTESSENTIAL77

TIFFANY IN MEXICO
Check out the pair of mugs above right. They were offered and sold on Ebay by a frequent
contributor to TiffanyFakes.Com, seller QUINTESSENTIAL77 - see above left for one of her
perfume bottles. Although they only sold for $102, they do show the desperation of some sellers.
Listed as Tiffany & Company but shown as signed TIFFANY STUDIOS NEW YORK.

THINGSPRING

BIGBUBBASAN

VINTAGEJACKI

DOBERMANS32010

PSSTS, WANNA BUY A TIFFANY WINDOW?
Currently offered for sale on Ebay are 7 "Tiffany" windows and we are going to take a look at them and the people involved in offering them for sale. They are nothing new, having appeared for several years on Ebay and that alone should tell you something about them. Many Tiffany windows are unsigned but it is still possible for someone knowledgeable to tell the fake from the real. Records were kept by Tiffany Studios and published by them in 1893, 1897 and 1910 indicating where some of their windows were. They still require a personal inspection as it can be determined if Tiffany made them by the glass used, the leading technique, the layering and other unique characteristics of Tiffany workmanship. As to the current offerings on Ebay, we see that the seller is NARUKO (Gary Braverman) and he is known and has been known to TiffanyFakes.Com for several years when buyers of his merchandise contacted this site to complain about his refusal to honor his guarantee. See above - TIFFANY AND HANDEL. The owner of the windows, a "dear friend" and an "associate" of Braverman's is Jack Shaoul who is known far and wide in the antique world and operates a store in Manhattan called Universe Antiques - a real junk store on Broadway. If you check the link below, you will learn more than you ever want to know about him and his business practices. Google JACK SHAOUL or copy and paste:
http://vlex.com/vid/united-america-jack-shaoul-defendant-36105035
Now, about the windows. NARUKO is saying that they are "documented" but we see no documentation and no one should consider his word or the word of the owner as proof of authentication. A "lifetime guarantee" is also offered and you can easily see what that is worth after reading this article. The seller claims that most of the windows came from All Souls Church which loaned 2 Tiffany windows to the Brooklyn Museum where they are on permanent display. Their reasoning is that since those windows are Tiffany, the rest of the windows in the church must be Tiffany. That is akin to parking your Chevrolet at the mall next to a Porsche and when you drive away, you car has turned into a Porsche. Records show that the two windows from All Souls were originally installed (per Tiffany Studio records) in the Universalist Church of Our Father in Brooklyn and when that congregation was dissolved, the windows went to All Souls in 1945. There is no mention of All Souls Church having any Tiffany windows in the Tiffany Studios publications of 1893, 1897 or 1910. It was a special occasion for a member of a congregation to have a window made for a loved one and donated to a church. At that time there were many options as to window makers and it was not uncommon for one church to have windows from several different makers. While the probability of selling such a complex item as a Tiffany window on Ebay is very remote, one must never let their guard down when buying Tiffany of any kind on Ebay and do not allow yourself to think that these two people must be something special since that have so many Tiffany windows. It is very easy to collect fakes as shown by this example.

COWGIRL-143

TREK2BRIAN

FREE2DIV

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